Ford EV will gain access to Tesla Superchargers and come with standard NACS ports starting 2025!

[Ogre]

Tesla still wins because Tesla Supercharger with Magic Dock CCS/NACS is probably significantly cheaper than competitor's CCS only units.

Tesla doesn’t need the subsidies. Only thing frustrating about this is the waste of government money on a “standard” which is destined for the waste bin of history.

 

[CyberGus]

Tesla doesn’t need the subsidies. Only thing frustrating about this is the waste of government money on a “standard” which is destined for the waste bin of history.

Meh. The existing CSS vehicles aren't going to just rapture away, and even the Ford/GM collaborators are 2 years away from full NACS implementation. CSS will be around for awhile. (Even CHAdeMO is still a thing, but they've been left to their own devices. Because they suck. lol)

The challenge for new charge stations is in securing the space, and getting HV hookups to the grid. Years from now, it will be relatively straightforward (but not necessarily cheap) to swap the equipment.

 

[Sirfun]

Meh. The existing CSS vehicles aren't going to just rapture away, and even the Ford/GM collaborators are 2 years away from full NACS implementation. CSS will be around for awhile. (Even CHAdeMO is still a thing, but they've been left to their own devices. Because they suck. lol)

The challenge for new charge stations is in securing the space, and getting HV hookups to the grid. Years from now, it will be relatively straightforward (but not necessarily cheap) to swap the equipment.

Isn't that what adapters are for?

 

[Ogre]

Meh. The existing CSS vehicles aren't going to just rapture away, and even the Ford/GM collaborators are 2 years away from full NACS implementation. CSS will be around for awhile. (Even CHAdeMO is still a thing, but they've been left to their own devices. Because they suck. lol)

The challenge for new charge stations is in securing the space, and getting HV hookups to the grid. Years from now, it will be relatively straightforward (but not necessarily cheap) to swap the equipment.

For sure.

But does the government need to drop $4 billion to support the 200,000 or whatever CCS vehicles which are on the road?

This is why I hate when government agencies pick winners. Now we’re likely stuck with this goofy dual standards for another 3-4 years which will ultimately leave even more people in a lurch.

 

[PilotPete]

whitehouse did a bit of a “special interpretation” of their own legislation and has said funding is only available for CCS equipped chargers.

This contradicts the actual wording of the measure.

Definitely not the first time the WH has had their own interpretation of legislation/regulations. I imagine Tesla has a legal team to hold the government to their legislation.

Does Tesla “Need” the money? Nope. Would Tesla turn down the money if it was due them? Nope! The shareholders might have something to say about that.

(NOTE: when I say WH, I’m referring to MULTIPLE administrations of ALL political leanings, not just the current group. Stop the angry typing!)

 

[Crissa]

whitehouse did a bit of a “special interpretation” of their own legislation and has said funding is only available for CCS equipped chargers.

This contradicts the actual wording of the measure.

Not sure if they are just talking about “for the moment…” or making an administrative call on what the standard is in spite of where the industry appears to be going.

Will be a stance that is increasingly distanced from the reality over time.

That's what administrations are supposed to do: interpret and implement the law.

There are hundreds of thousands of CCS1 cars on the roads in the US, and two more years of them before Ford and GM switch. Both are on track to make another hundred thousand onto the roads each year.

So yeah, the federal monies should be focused on stations which serve the greater variety of vehicles through thwir lifetime.

This is some place the government needs to be behind on, so cars remain in service and relevant longer.

BTW, there are no NACS DC charge compatible motorcycles, period. And the Magic Dock isn't compatible with them, either.

-Crissa

PS, no, the government isn't picking a winner, Ogre, don't be a liar. They're making sure that anyone who bought a non-Tesla car or does buy in the next two years can be assured their car can charge for its lifetime.

Literally the opposite of choosing a winner.

 

[Greshnab]

That's what administrations are supposed to do: interpret and implement the law.

There are hundreds of thousands of CCS1 cars on the roads in the US, and two more years of them before Ford and GM switch. Both are on track to make another hundred thousand onto the roads each year.

So yeah, the federal monies should be focused on stations which serve the greater variety of vehicles through thwir lifetime.

This is some place the government needs to be behind on, so cars remain in service and relevant longer.

BTW, there are no NACS DC charge compatible motorcycles, period. And the Magic Dock isn't compatible with them, either.

-Crissa

PS, no, the government isn't picking a winner, Ogre, don't be a liar. They're making sure that anyone who bought a non-Tesla car or does buy in the next two years can be assured their car can charge for its lifetime.

Literally the opposite of choosing a winner.

they ARE trying to pick a winner.. they are forcing tesla <a VERY new company> to develop their own network while allowing the established companies with far more resources <at the time> to use federal money to bulid out that same type of system... If you can't see how wrong this concept is that is kinda sad.

 

[CyberGus]

Markets are driven by human behavior. It sounds corny but you can't sell a product until you've sold the idea of it first.

Having the government invest in public charging gives consumers the confidence that they're not buying into a dead-end scheme. This gives confidence to manufacturers to invest in building out their capacity.

The only "winner" that the government has picked is "us"!

 

[cvalue13]

they ARE trying to pick a winner.. they are forcing tesla <a VERY new company> to develop their own network while allowing the established companies with far more resources <at the time> to use federal money to bulid out that same type of system... If you can't see how wrong this concept is that is kinda sad.

 

[CyberGus]

they ARE trying to pick a winner.. they are forcing tesla <a VERY new company> to develop their own network while allowing the established companies with far more resources <at the time> to use federal money to bulid out that same type of system... If you can't see how wrong this concept is that is kinda sad.

 

[Gurule92]

they ARE trying to pick a winner.. they are forcing tesla <a VERY new company> to develop their own network while allowing the established companies with far more resources <at the time> to use federal money to bulid out that same type of system... If you can't see how wrong this concept is that is kinda sad.

Are you under the impression that Tesla wont get federal funding?

Also, just a fun fact that i learned yesterday, Tesla is older than Stellantis lol

 

[Greshnab]

the post I was responding to CLEARLY states that the government isn't trying to pick a winner AND states they are only providing that funding to people using the CCS1 standard for charging...

So yes that money tesla can't get, and the government is trying to prop up the ccs1 standard.. if the government just wanted to support charging as a whole it would provide those funds to ANY charging station being built.. not to just those supporting the CCS1 standard.

 

[CyberGus]

the post I was responding to CLEARLY states that the government isn't trying to pick a winner AND states they are only providing that funding to people using the CCS1 standard for charging...

So yes that money tesla can't get, and the government is trying to prop up the ccs1 standard.. if the government just wanted to support charging as a whole it would provide those funds to ANY charging station being built.. not to just those supporting the CCS1 standard.

 

[Gurule92]

the post I was responding to CLEARLY states that the government isn't trying to pick a winner AND states they are only providing that funding to people using the CCS1 standard for charging...

So yes that money tesla can't get, and the government is trying to prop up the ccs1 standard.. if the government just wanted to support charging as a whole it would provide those funds to ANY charging station being built.. not to just those supporting the CCS1 standard.

#magicdock

 

[rudedawg78]

they ARE trying to pick a winner.. they are forcing tesla <a VERY new company> to develop their own network while allowing the established companies with far more resources <at the time> to use federal money to bulid out that same type of system... If you can't see how wrong this concept is that is kinda sad.

I am not sure I am following you exactly. But, if you are comparing the long established companies (like Ford, GMC, etc) as the old companies, and Tesla being the "VERY new company", you are comparing apples and oranges. When it comes to EVs, Tesla is the "established company" and the others are VERY new to this market. Tesla's network and experience in this area compared to others is not even debatable.

I apologize if you are talking about something different as I don't completely understand where you are going/what you are trying to explain.